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Monday, December 3, 2007

SprungOnSports College Hoops Top 25

Top 25
1) UNC- Wins over Ohio State and Kentucky? Hellooo top ranking.
2) Kansas- Win over USC has them leapfrogging Memphis.
3) Duke- Demolished Wisconsin and beat Davidson.
4) Texas- Beat UCLA, movin on up Jeffersons style.
5) Memphis- Way to show Austin Peay who's boss!
6) Georgetwon- Nice win over ODU.
7) Washington State- Beat Baylor, teams behind them did better.
8) UCLA- Falls down to 8th, beat GW though.
9) Michigan State- Destroyed NC State.
10) Indiana- Big wins over GT and SIU move them up.
11) Louisville- Keeps up their good play with a win over Miami.
12) Tennessee- Beat up on crappy teams to keep up their rank.
13) Texas A&M- Good win over Bama, bad loss to Arizona.
14) Butler- Moves up with a win over Ohio State.
15) Oregon- Nice win over K-State.
16) Marquette- Beat UWM but still slides down a couple.
17) Gonzaga- Wins over St Joe's and UConn move them up.
18) Clemson- Good wins over Purdue and South Carolina.
19) Pitt- Beat BU and Toledo, but move down because of the Zags.
20) Arkansas- Wins over Mizzou and Oral Roberts keeps them at 20.
21) Xavier- Beat Oakland and Belmont, which is pretty good.
22) Vanderbilt- Beat GT and South Alabama to move into this week's rankings.
23) Stanford- Mauled Colorado to move up.
24) BYU- 5-1 and debuts this week.
25) Villanova- Pounded Penn to enter this week.

Monday, November 26, 2007

College Hoops Monday

My top 25 and a preview of tonight's games. Let's get to it.

SprungOnSports Top 25
1)UCLA- Beat Maryland and Michigan State to leapfrog UNC.
2)UNC- Good wins, Bruins had better.
3)Kansas- Win over Arizona jumps them to third.
4)Memphis- They beat Arky State to keep it going.
5)Georgetown- Beat Ball State, did nothing wrong.
6)Washington State-3-0 this week when everyone else lost.
7)Duke- Their huge win over Marquette shoots them up to 7th.
8)Texas- Win over Tennessee was huge for the Longhorns.
9)Louisville-Their loss to BYU not as severe as the rest of the losers.
10) Texas A&M- Beat Washington and Ohio State to shoot up.
11)Tennessee- Would have dropped further, but Texas is a very good team.
12)Indiana- Loss to Xavier knocks them out of the top 10.
13)Marquette- They lost to Duke, put destroyed OK State
14)Michigan State- Also losers to the Blue Devils, but they had a tough time with Oakland.
15)Butler- Michigan, VaTech, and Texas Tech all fall to AJ Graves and co.
16)Oregon- Loss to Saint Mary's knocks them down a few spots.
17)Pittsburgh- Keeps the wins coming, quietly moving up.
18)Gonzaga-Loss to Texas Tech knocks them down as well.
19)Clemson- Everyone lost above them, and they smacked Gardner-Webb by a lot.
20)Arkansas- Debuts with a big win over VCU.
21)NC State- Beat South Carolina and Villanova
22)Wisconsin- Beat Georgia, and is here for now.
23)Kansas State- Loss knocks them back to 22nd.
24)Stanford- Beat Yale and Colorado State to debut at 24.
25)Kansas State- Loss to George Mason puts them on notice.

Monday Preview
No SOS top 25 teams in action tonight, but some good matchups nonetheless. UConn will host Florida A&M at 7pm on ESPN Full Court. Ohio plays a good match at Holy Cross, Temple battles Akron, and Davidson plays Appalachian State in a battle of hoops and gridiron upsetters. The ACC/Big 10 Challange begins tonight at 7pm as Wake Forest visits Iowa on ESPN2. Nortre Dame will get a test from Colgate, Houston will host Coastal Carolina, Arizona State will entertain Cal Poly, and Washington will host Long Beach State.

Wednesday, November 14, 2007

College Hoops Wednesday

There were some great games yesterday and more awesome action today. I'll go inside Syracuse's dramatic win over St Joe's.


Tuesday Capper
Siena and UTEP recorded early wins. Michigan State is supposed to be a top 10 team led by Drew Neitzel, but nobody talked about Raymar Morgan who scored 25 and pulled 15 rebounds in an 86-52 rout of Chicago State. Neitzel had 12 points and 8 assists.


SOS2 Inside- Syracuse vs St Joe's
Freshman Jonny Flynn hit a top of the key three with 5 seconds left to lift the Orange to a 72-69 win over the Hawks at the Carrier Dome. St Joe's started off on a tear going out to a 12-0 lead but Syracuse put some good runs together to get a 33-30 halftime lead. The team is young and will have a lot of growing pains, but with Flynn and Donte Greene the team will have to take the inexplicable mistakes with the flashes of greatness. The Cuse built a double digit lead early in the 2nd, but Phil Martelli's club came back to keep it tight the rest of the way. The Hawks were 11-26 from 3 point range, and Darrin Govens hit 6 threes and finished with 22 points, as did senior forward Pat Calathes who had 22 points with 8 boards and 6 assists. Flynn only had 5 points, but he had 6 assists and his only field goal was hit when it mattered most. Greene had 18 points and 8 rebounds, and Paul Harris tore it up with 18 points to go with 14 rebounds and 6 helpers. The Orange has the firepower to succeed, but will have to overcome the mistakes that they'll inevitably make along the way. Keep it here for the best insight and analysis.


-Buffalo beat USF, George Mason defeated Cleveland State, and Shan Foster poured in 21 points with 8 rebounds in a good 77-70 win at Toledo. Holy Cross won at Fairfield, and Alabama got 28 points and 14 rebounds from Bakari Hendrix in a hard fought 90-83 win at Mercer. Auburn, UAB, UIC, and Missouri recorded wins. DeMarre Carroll had 16 and 8 in the Tigers 79-55 win over Fordham. Eniel Polynice had 28 and 7 as Ole Miss edged South Alabama, and Dan Geriot had 22, 10, and 5 in Richmond's OT win at East Carolina. Miami (OH) edged Xavier, and Utah, Gardner-Webb, Gonzaga, and UNLV were victorious. Derrick Low scored 26 as Wazzu beat Boise State, Kosta Koufos had 19 as Ohio State downed Columbia, TAMU beat Oral Roberts, and Kevin Love had 19 and 9 as UCLA routed San Bernardino. Chase Budinger had 26 points and 5 boards as Arizona beat Northern Arizona. Washington destroyed NJIT.


Wednesday Preview
Florida will host NC Central at 7pm on Full Court. Bucknell is at Towson, Michigan State hosts Louisiana-Monroe, and tonight's SOS featured game has Davidson and top ranked UNC doing battle in Charlotte at 7pm on ESPN. UW-Milwaukee is at Ball State, and BU will be at GW at 7:30. Iona is at Princeton, and St Francis (NY) will play at St John's at 7:30 on Full Court. At 8pm all on Full Court, Iowa State will be at Bradley, LSU will host McNeese State, OK State will be at North Texas, and Texas Tech will be at Sam Houston State. NIT Tip-Off is at 9pm on ESPNU as Texas A&M hosts UTEP in a really good matchup. Southern Miss will be at Cal at 10:30, and Washington will host Utah at 10:30 in the NIT on ESPN.

Tuesday, November 13, 2007

College Hoops Tuesday

Last night's scores including an analysis of Duke's win over New Mexico State, and a preview of tonight's action.

Monday Scores
Fordham recorded a win at the CBE in Missouri, and Indiana overcame a 4 point halftime defecit to blow out Chattanooga by 20, 99-79. Freshman Eric Gordon had a game high 33 points and 6 rebounds for the Hoosiers. He'll be one to watch. BC also found themselves down at the half but came back to beat Florida Atlantic 68-62 behind 21 points and 9 assists from Tyrece Rice.
SOS2 Inside- Duke vs New Mexico State
The young Blue Devils found themselves down 6-4 early on, but had fairly smooth sailing throughout in their 86-61 rout of the Aggies at Cameron Indoor Stadium. You immediately saw the agility and balance that Duke has this year as several players came up with important turnovers and all ran the floor rather well. They may not have size, but they're lethal in transition. New Mexico State didn't force the issue enough early on, and settled for long jumpers. Once those jumpers missed long, Duke went on secondary breaks and built a 32-17 advantage. NMSU then played really sloppy ball, and ended up with 26 in the contest. John Scheyer hit a couple of threes on steals by freshman Kyle Singler to increase the lead, and the stingy Blue Devils defense led to a DeMarcus Nelson three to close the half with a 47-26 lead. They had numbers on the bench going 10 deep, and used their speed to create easy buckets. The Aggies committed more turnovers than hit field goals in the half. Duke went on a 14-4 run to open the half and led 61-30 and that was basically it from there. NMSU went on a mini run of their own after that, and were led by Justin Hawkins who had 16 points and 11 boards, and Fred Peete who ended with 11. Duke then cruised for the 86-61 win. Scheyer had 22 off the bench, and Nelson had 14 points and 7 boards. Singler had 10 points and 5 boards, and PG Greg Paulus had a very good overall game with 9 points, 8 assists, 4 boards, and 4 steals.

-St Bonaventure, Penn State, and Duquesne were winners. Syracuse didn't play much defense, but their offense was able to hold off a tough Siena team 97-89 in NIT action. Freshman Johnny Flynn hit all 6 of his 3 point attempts and scored 28 points to go along with 9 assists and 5 rebounds. Eric Devendorf had 19 points and 6 assists, and Paul Harris had 14 points and 15 rebounds. Nortre Dame got 19 and 10 from rob Kurz to beat Long Island 82-50, and Rutgers got 24 and 9 from Will Inman in their win over NC Central. Clemson, Charlotte, South Carolina, LSU, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Marquette, Pacific, Florida State, New Mexico, Ohio State, Maryland, St Joe's, and Oregon were all winners. UCLA got 21 points and 9 boards from Kevin Love as the Bruins blasted Youngstown State.

Tuesday Preview
The CBE continues as Michigan State hosts Chicago State in Lansing, game at 7 on ESPNU. Syracuse will host St Joe's at 7pm on ESPN in preseason NIT, that will be tomorrow's analyzed game. Buffalo will host USF, George Mason takes on Cleveland State, and Vandy will be at Toledo. Mercer beat USC last week, tonight they'll take on Alabama. Fordham takes on Missouri at 8pm, and Gonzaga will entertain Idaho. Some good matches tip off at 9 as Wazzu will be at Boise State, Columbia will be at Ohio State, and Texas A&M will host Oral Roberts on ESPNU. Arizona hosts Northern Arizona at 9:30, and FDU takes on Siena on ESPN. UCLA will host UC San Bernardino, and Washington hosts NJIT.

Monday, November 12, 2007

College Hoops Monday

Results yesterday from around the nation, including the game of the day in Newark as Seton Hall was given a big scare by Monmouth. Tonight's action includes a lot of good matchups and the beginning of the NIT Season Tip-Off.

Michigan and Rutgers were both winners to start off the day, but let's get into the Seton Hall-Monmouth game.
The Hawks were 0-30 against Big East teams all time going into yesterday's matinee at the Prudential Arena, and Monmouth was at one point down by 20 in the first half. But they didn't give up, outhustling the Pirates, driving for easy transition buckets and kicking out for big three pointers. Hawks Guard Jhamar Youngblood was the real big time player for Monmouth, scoring 27 points with 5 rebounds and was the main reason why this game went into OT. But when overtime started, the Pirates were able to control the tempo led by Eugene Harvey's 27 and consistenly got to the foul line. Seton Hall also got 18 from Brian Liang in a 89-81 OT triumph. But watch out for Monmouth this year.
Vermont is certainly playing a challanging schedule, but once again came up on the short end as they were bested by Virginia 90-72 as Singletary and Joseph each scored 19 for the Cavaliers. Illinois had some early trouble with Northeastern, but came up with the 61-55 win. Brian Randle scored 14, while Shaun Pruitt posted a double-double with 12 points and 17 boards for the Illini. Michael Jordan's son Jeffery played 3 minutes for Illinois and missed the only shot he took. Nevada was upset on the road at UCF, while the defending champion Florida Gators easily handled Tennessee Tech. Drexel got 24 points and 14 rebounds from senior center Frank Elgar in an 86-70 home win over Navy. Frosh forward Austin Daye put up 20 and 10 as Gonzaga won its opener 77-54 over Montana. Michael Beasley burst onto the scene yesterday in Manhatten as he scored 30 and grabbed 14 rebounds in a win over Pittsburg State. Bill Walker added 11 for the Wildcats. Marist won at home over Delaware, and Quinnapiac needed double OT to defeat Hartford. Belmont continues to impress in the Cincy tournament, and Hampton defeated Tulsa to kick off the CBE. Stanford, Pitt, Wisconsin, and Northern Iowa were winners; the Panthers posted an impressive win over UMass. Georgia Tech bounced back with a win over Tennessee State, and Maryland and Baylor also posted wins. Cincinatti went 1-2 in their own tournament as they again fell at home, this time 69-67 at the hands of Bowling Green. Chris Knight had 24 and 8 for the Falcons. Kansas and Oregon were also winners.

Tonight
A couple of early CBE games has Fordham playing Central Missouri State and Tulsa playing North Florida. Delaware State plays Columbia to kick off the NIT Tip Off. Indiana opens its season against Chattanooga at 7pm, you can watch that one on ESPN360. BC will host Florida Atlantic, and Duke will entertain New Mexico State at 7 on ESPN2, that's the game of the night which will be analyzed tomorrow. St Bonaventure will host Binghampton and Syracuse will host Sienne in the Preseason NIT at 7pm on ESPNU. Penn State, Notre Dame, and Rutgers will all be in action tonight. Clemson, Charlotte, South Carolina, and LSU will all be in action; the Tigers will be on Full Court as will Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, and Marquette. Pepperdine will play Pacific in Eugene, and Florida State, New Mexico, and Maryland will all be in action. At 9 on ESPN2, Ohio State will host Wisconsin-Green Bay in NIT action. In Syracuse at 9:30 St Joe's will play FDU. Full court will have Oregon hosting Western Michigan, and UCLA will host Youngstown State in CBE at 11pm on ESPN2. So watch out for the tripleheader tonight on the deuce, Syracuse on ESPNU, and many games on ESPN360.

Duke analysis tomorrow and more.

Sunday, November 11, 2007

College Hoops Sunday

All the major results from Friday and Saturday including a big upset in the Los Angeles area. It's all here plus a preview of today's action on Veterans Day.

Friday Capper
In Iowa, UMass had 23 from Ricky Harris in a 90-64 win over Cal Poly. The Minutemen are expected to contend in the A-10. Saint Louis won by 11 in Rick Majerus' coaching debut for the Billikens, and BU got 28 and 6 from Corey Lowe in a 68-57 win over St Bonaventure. Western Carolina and San Francisco won their respective tournament games, and Georgia Tech was shocked at home 83-74 by UNC Greenboro. The Spartans got 25 and 9 from Kyle Hines in their huge win in Atlanta over the Yellow Jackets. Florida State disposed of Nicholls State, but USF loat at home 73-70 to the Vikings of Cleveland State. Michigan, Duke, and Wake were all big winners, and Drexel won in OT at Penn in a Philly rivalry match. Pitt, Villanova, VaTech, and Butler were all winners as well. In the match of the night, Senior forward Will Thomas scored 16 points to go with 17 rebounds as George Mason held off Vermont at home 60-53. Rutgers, Miami, Charlotte, VCU, and Florida were winners. In Knoxville, Chris Lofton was held to just 10 points on 1-8 shooting, but JaJuan Smith led 4 players in double figures as Tennessee tamed Temple 80-63. Oklahoma got 15 from Blake Griffin as they advanced to MSG with a 80-50 triumph over Denver. Texas A&M, Wisconsin-Milwaukee, Alabama, and Davidson were all winners. In Cincinatti, Belmont proved that last year's NCAA appearance was indeed not a fluke as they went on the road and beat the Bearcats 86-75 behind 23 points and 7 assists for senior guard Justin Hare. Cincy had 4 in double figures but got upset. Kansas, Kansas State, South Carolina, Arkansas, and Oral Roberts were all winners. In Missouri, freshman guard P'Allen Stinnett scored 23 as the Blue Jays topped DePaul 74-62. New Mexico won at Colorado, and Georgia, Iowa State, Houston, Utah, Iowa, and UTEP were all winners. In New Orleans, Tulane pulled off a big home win over Auburn 77-62. Northern Iowa, OK State, Wazzu, Stanford, Air Force, UCLA, and UNLV were all winners as well.

Saturday Capper
Roy Hibbert had 23 points and 8 boards as Georgetown defeated William & Mary 68-53. GW, East Carolina, Dayton, Texas Tech, Minnesota, Ole Miss, and BC were winners. It was OJ Mayo's debut at USC and he didn't disappoint. He had 32 points and 7 rebounds but the Trojans were beat at home by Mercer 96-81 behind 30 points from James Florence. Bowling Green, Pitt, BYU (big over LB State), Miss State, Saint Louis, and UMass were all winners. Despite 28 from Antoine Agudio, Holy Cross came up with a big 61-47 home win over Hofstra. Richmond lost at home to Norfolk State, and UNC Wilimington won in OT. Score another big win for the Patriot League, they won at home against Albany 55-52. Cincy almost lost again at home but held on for a 66-64 win over Western Carolina. Oregon peppered Pepperdine, and Toledo beat Missouri State. Xavier, UIC (over Bradley), Murray State, Nebraska, Vandy, UAB, TCU, Winthrop, Marquette, Fresno State, Iowa State, Northern Iowa, Stanford, and Air Force were all winners.

Sunday Preview
At high noon, the action will begin when Michigan entertains Brown. Rutgers will host North Dakota State at 1, as will Seton Hall host Monmouth on ESPN Full Court. At 2, Vermont will continue on their tough opening road trip as they play at Virginia. Nevada will be at UCF at 2, as will Northeastern at Illinois which will be analyzed in depth tomorrow as part of the ESPN360 Viewers Club I'm starting. Florida will host Tennessee Tech at 3 on Full Court, and Navy will be at Drexel at 4pm. Also at 4, Gonzaga will open their season against Montana, Marist will host Delaware, and Kansas State will be in action. At 5, the CBE Classic begins with Hampton facing Tulsa. At 6, Stanford will host UCSB and Pitt will host Saint Louis on Full Court. Wisconsin will also play at 6, and Northern Iowa will host UMass. GT will be at Tennessee State at 7, and Maryland will open its season at home against North Florida at 8pm on ESPNU. Baylor, Cincy, and Kansas (Full Court) will all play at 8, and Oregon will host Pacific at 9 on Full Court.

Friday, November 9, 2007

College Hoops Weekend Preview

Last night's scores, and a look at all the major teams and matchups for both Friday and Saturday as the season really gets into gear.

-In Norman, Denver held on with a 76-75 OT win over East Central. The Pioneers will play the Sooners, who got 18 and 13 from Freshman Blake Griffin and beat San Francisco 71-55. Dior Lowhorn scored 26 and grabbed 7 rebounds for the Dons. In Storrs, Morgan State beat Ohio Valley 77-66, and UConn got 24 from AJ Price in their 82-57 rout of Buffalo.

Friday Focus
Already today, Brown opened up its season with a 74-55 win at Eastern Michigan. In Cedar Rapids at 4:15 in the Basketball Travelers Classic, UMass opens it season against Cal Poly. 15 minutes later, Rick Majerus makes his Saint Louis coaching debut against UNCA&T. At 5, Boston U opens up at home against A-10's St Bonaventure. Bowling Green takes on Western Carolina in Cincinnati. San Francisco takes on East Central at 5 in the consolation game in Norman. At 6, Georgia Tech opens its season at home against UNC-Greensboro. Iowa State's Cyclone Challange begins at 6:30 when Centenary battles Lipscomb. At 7, Florida State opens up against Nicholls State. Also at 7, USF opens with Cleveland State, Towson hosts Loyola (MD), Michigan plays Radford, and Duke hosts NC Central. Also at 7pm, Wake hosts Fairfield, Fordham at Columbia, and New Mexico State at Ohio on Full Court. Drexel battles Penn, Pitt opens their tournament against Houston Baptist, Villanova hosts Stony Brook, VaTech hosts Elon, and FAU takes on Rhode Island in the Glen Wilkes Classic. The 7pm games continue with Butler playing Ball State,and finishes with a good match as Vermont plays at George Mason. At 7:30, Rutgers hosts Tennessee Tech, Miami and Charlotte open their respective seasons, UCSB plays Northwestern State in the BTC in Stanford, and Tennessee with Chris Lofton and co open up at home against Temple on Full Court. At 8, Florida raises its banner against North Dakota State (Full Court), DePaul plays at Creighton, and Denver finishes the opening part of the CVC against Oklahoma. Texas A&M opens up, Alabama hosts Troy (Full Court), Kansas is on Full Court, and Cincy, Davidson, K-State, South Carolina, and Arkansas all open at 8pm. At 8:30, Liberty plays SDSU in the World Vision Classic in Fresno. At 9, New Mexico is at Colorado, Georgia opens up, and Iowa State plays in their tournament. Utah, Iowa, Auburn plays at Tulane, and Northern Iowa plays in the BTC in Cedar Rapids. OK State and Wazzu start their campaigns at 9:30. Stanford hosts Harvard in the BTC, and UCLA hosts Portland State at 10:30.
Saturday Schedule
Georgetown hosts William & Mary at Noon. At 2, GW and Dayton open up, and Texas Tech opens up on Full Court. At 3, Minnesota and Ole Miss open up. At 4, USC, BC, Pitt plays in their tourney, and Belmont takes on Bowling Green in Cincy. Houston Baptist plays Saint Louis in Pittsburgh at 6:30, and UMass plays Northern Illinois in Cedar Rapids.
7pm
Hofstra @ Holy Cross, Albany @ Bucknell, Western Carolina @ Cincy, Pepperdine @ Oregon (WVI), Missouri State @ Toledo,
8pm
Bradley @ UIC, Rider @ Murray State, Austin Peay @ Vanderbilt, UAB @ Georgia State
8:30pm
IUPUI @ Marquette (Full Court), Liberty @ Fresno State (WVI),
The Rest- Western Michigan takes on Pacific at 9:30 in the WVI in Eugene. At 10, Stanford hosts Northwestern State in the BTC, and Portland takes on SDSU in Fresno.

Thursday, November 8, 2007

College Hoops Thursday

Obviously, the CH world is abuzz over Gardner-Webb's shocking triumph over Kentucky last night. I'll go through that game with Andy Katz of ESPN, and talk about the other games from last night (yes, there were other games) and tonight's games as the wild Coaches vs Cancer Classic continues.

-First in football it was Appy State over Michigan, now just 109 miles away the Gardner-Webb Runnin Bulldogs win at Rupp Arena, and did it in convincing fashion. G-Webb got off to a jaw dropping 14-0 lead, and that advantage was never less than 7 points the rest of the way. Webb got 22 points from Grayson Flittner, and 21 and 10 from Thomas Sanders in this enormous upset. Ramel Bradley scored 24 for UK, but it wasn't enough as Gardner-Webb stormed into Rupp Arena and just flat out attacked Billy Gillispie's defense. Andy Katz has more of the factors that went into this upset:
"I saw the second half and I concur with GWebb coach Rick Scruggs. The Bulldogs attacked, attacked and attacked. The backdoor cuts they put in were perfect. This was a classic case of a team that had been together for at least a year, playing a team in Kentucky that was still figuring itself out under its new coach. Also, Kentucky is still limited in numbers with Derrick Jasper out."
So even if a team was bad the previous year, just that experience together coupled with great coaching can lead to a shocker like this. So the Bulldogs will be at MSG next week.
-At the first game in Storrs, Greg Gamble scored 25 points as Buffalo escaped with an 89-82 win over DII Ohio Valley. It'll be UConn next for the Bulls, who struggled to a 69-65 win over Morgan State. Jerome Dyson had 20 for the Huskies, and Curtis Kelly chipped in with 13 and 9 off the bench. Reggie Holmes scored 18 off the bench for the Golden Bears. In the consolation game in Lexington, Durrell Nevels had 13 points and got 20 boards as Central Arkansas came up with a 69-59 win over Alabama A&M. Defensive freak Mickell Gladness had 8 boards and 9 blocks in the loss.
-Today, the CvsC begins in Norman with East Central (who?) taking on Denver at 5:30. The Pioneers went 4-25 in the Sun Belt last year, and returns Soph Guard Tyler Bullock who averaged 11 points last year. At 6 in Storrs, Morgan State takes on Ohio Valley, which also happens to be a conference (confusing no?). The at 8, the Dons of San Francisco battle Oklahoma. The Dons went 13-18 in the WCC last year, and are led by combo Guard Manny Quezeda, who averaged just over 13 points per game last season. The Sooners were a disappointing 16-15 last season, and are led by Freshman sensation Blake Griffin. UConn and Buffalo will finish off the night at 9pm on ESPNU.

Wednesday, November 7, 2007

College Hoops Wednesday

Recaps from yesterday, and a preview for today as the Coaches vs Cancer Classic continues its regional phase.

In Lexington, Gardner-Webb got off to a 34-23 halftime lead and won the game over Alabama A&M 69-55 in the first round. Mickell Gladness had 8 points, 10 rebounds, and 7 blocks in the loss. Aaron Linn had 24 in the win for G-W.
In the consolation game in Memphis, Tennessee-Martin edged Maine 66-62 behind 31 points and 6 rebounds from Lester Hudson. Two other players reached double figures for the Skyhawks. The Black Bears had 4 players in double figures, led by 14 and 6 from Brian Andre.
In the main attraction at Rupp Arena, Joe Crawford scored 20 off the bench to lead Kentucky to a big 67-40 win over Central Arkansas in the UK coaching debut for Billy Gillispie. The Wildcats still need some work.
Richmond hung really tough with Memphis in the first half, but fabulous freshman Derrick Rose rose to the occassion and scored 21 points and had 5 points as the Tigers pulled away from the Spiders 80-63 to capture the Memphis regional. Chris Douglas-Roberts had 19 and 9 in the win. David Gonzalvez had 25 in the loss for Richmond.

The Storrs regional opens up today at 4pm as DII Ohio Valley battles Buffalo. The Bulls of the MAC went 12-19 last year, but were 12th in the nation in rebounding margin. SG Andy Robinson averaged 10 points last year, and is their best returning player.
Next up is the consolation game in Lexington as Alabama A&M faces Central Arkansas.
The main event in Storrs has Morgan State playing the hosts the UConn Huskies at 7pm on ESPNU. The Golden Bears went 13-18 but competed for the MEAC title last year. 6'3 senior Guard Jamar Smith averaged 13 and 5 last year and shot 36% from beyond the arc. UConn missed the tournament last year in a rebuilding year, but coach Jim Calhoun has high hopes for this season. They went 17-14, and are once again led by Jeff Adrien and Andre Dyson.
The Lexington final is at 9pm on ESPNU as Kentucky battles Gardner-Webb.

Tuesday, November 6, 2007

College Hoops Tuesday

Analysis from last night's games and a preview of today's action as the Coaches vs Cancer Classic continues.
Memphis was in trouble a bit early, but they pulled away bigtime in the 2nd half against Tennessee-Martin. SOS College Hoops analyst Ilan Katz has the recap of the Tigers triumph:

The Memphis Tigers opened their season tonight with a 102-71 victory over Tennessee-Martin. Playing without their top big man Joey Dorsey, Memphis looked sloppy in the 1st half. They didn't have too many turnovers, but they let up a lot of threes and were down at one point by as many as 7. On the offensive end they couldn't hit a 3 as they shot 31% from long range and missing 24 treys. Highly touted freshman Derrick Rose was as good as advertised. He finished with 17 points on 8-16 shooting to go with 6 rebounds and 5 assists (he would have had at least 10 had his teammates hit some shots). He also had 2 blocks, one of them on the fast break after his lone turnover of the came. he caught up from behind and swatted it off the backboard and then led the fast break. This kid is really special. But Memphis as a whole had me a little worried. Their outside shooting has got to improve for them to be a national title contender. Other than that, this team showed tonight why it is ranked #3 in the nation in both major polls.

Memphis will battle the Richmond Spiders in the 2nd round as David Gonzalvez sunk two free throws with 3.6 seconds left in a 44-42 win over Maine. He led all scorers with 15 along with 4 rebounds. Black Bears Guard Mark Scobey had 14 points and 10 boards in the loss. Maine will play Tennessee-Martin in round two. Texas State beat DII Concordia 131-96 in exhibition play.

Today at 4pm from Lexington, Gardner-Webb takes on Alabama A&M in more CVC round one play. The Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs of the A-Sun went 9-21 last year and are led by 6'3 senior Thomas Sanders, who averaged 11 points and 7 rebounds last season. The Alabama A&M Bulldogs of the SWAC went 10-20 last year, but feature one of the nation's best defensive players. 6'11 senior Mickell Gladness averaged 7.6 points and 7.6 rebounds, but led the nation in blocks per game with an astounding 6.3 per contest. A&M returns all five of their starters.
At 6pm from Memphis, Maine will face Tennessee-Martin in the consolation game. The Skyhawks got 35 points and 10 rebounds from Guard Lester Hudson last night. At 7pm on ESPNU, Kentucky has their season opener at home against Central Arkansas. The Wildcats went 22-12 last season and are now led by head coach Billy Gillispie. They have the players to compete for the SEC title. They battle Central Arkansas Bears of the Southland conference. Clemson hosts Augusta tonight in exhibition action. Memphis hosts Richmond at 9pm tonight on ESPNU

Monday, November 5, 2007

College Hoops Opening Day

It's finally here at long last, and there are three games to get to. Richmond of the A-10 went 8-22 last year but return four starters led by 6'9 Soph Dan Geriot. They open up the season at Memphis in the Coaches vs Cancer Classic at 4pm against Maine. The middling America East school went 12-18 last year and have a starting lineup of players no shorter than 6'5. That's followed by the hosts and 3rd ranked Memphis taking on Tennessee-Martin at 7pm on ESPNU. The Skyhawks of the Ohio Valley conference went 8-23 last year and are led by 6'9 senior Gerald Robinson who led TM in points and rebounds last year. They'll face the tough task of facing John Calipari's Tigers, who reached the Elite 8 last season going 33-4 and return all 5 starters. This should be a blowout but It'll be good to see how good this Tigers team can be. They ripped through C-USA last year and will start their campaign off tonight. Then it will be a non Coaches game with Texas State hosting non Division I school Concordia (TX). Texas State was an awful 9-20 last year in the Southland conference but return 4 starters under first year head coach Doug Davalos. So get ready for a couple of exciting games today, and more will come tomorrow.

Wednesday, October 31, 2007

College Hoops Key Game Previews- Atlantic Sun

Someone reading this will care! It's a one bid league, let's see who makes it count.

-Belmont won the league last year, and will have games at Cincy, Bowling Green, and Alabama in November. They'll be at Xavier, a home and home with Middle Tennessee State, before a home game with Austin Peay and a game at Wright State.
-Campbell Fighting Camels. Wow, so many jokes. They'll host Appalachian State (who was good at hoops last year not just known for the Michigan game), and travel to South Carolina, but it's pretty bland after that.
-East Tennessee State is fairly competetive. They'll have games at Dayton, a home and home with Marshall, followed by games at Syracuse, OK State, and Georgia. They also host App State.
-Florida Gulf Coast. Not a bad slate at all in November. Home Drexel, at Iowa and Bradley, home Austin Peay, at Arizona State. In December, games at Army, and then home games against Butler and Penn. They're at DePaul in January, and they end their season with a game at Marquette.
-Gardner-Webb is not a pharmaceutical company. And to their credit, they're the only team with a TV game so far, 11/20 at UConn on Full Court. They're at Clemson, Tulane, and Charlotte as well.
-The Jacksonville Dolphins, just sounds weird. November at UAB, home Georgia State. In December, they run the gauntlet. At Michigan State, at Florida, at Georgetown, at South Alabama. Rough.
-Kennesaw State, reminds me of baseball. November: at Western Kentucky, at Auburn. December: at UNLV, at Minnesota.
-Lipscomb, reminds me of plastic surgery. Hey, botox man! November games at App State, and at Purdue. December games at Vandy, at Marshall.
-Mercer. At USC, home Alabama, Boston roadies at Harvard and BC. 12/19 at Auburn. 1/2 home VMI.
-North Florida leads the conference in exposure as they're at Maryland first game of the year on ESPNU. They also have games at Florida, at Miami, and at Notre Dame.
-South Carolina-Upstate, not a prison or mental institution, not a bad noncon slate. At Utah, home Akron, at Cincy, at Wake, at SMU, at UTEP, at Duquesne, at Iowa State (Full Court!!!!). Exposure!!!
-Stetson Hatters, how lame is that. November includes at UAB, home Rhode Island, at Florida, at FSU. December includes at Miami, home to Charleston Southern.
I hope you have been entertained and enlightened. If you've read this far, you're hardcore and have no life just like me.
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Monday, October 29, 2007

College Hoops Key Game Previews-ACC

This is always one of the top 2 or 3 conferences in the land, let's see the big games and TV listings.


ACC
-BC should be back in the tourney again this year, and they have good early road tests at Michigan in the Challange (ESPNU) and Providence (ESPN Classic). They start they're conference slate with a game at rival Maryland on 12/9. They then host UMass 3 days later (ESPNU), and then they host Kansas on 1/5 (ESPN). Big conference games include games at UNC (ESPN), at Duke (CBS), hosting UNC (ABC), and a closing home game against Georgia Tech (ABC).
-Clemson faded late last year, they hope to finish well this season. They play at Miss State (Full Court), and they host Purdue in the Challange (ESPN2). They then host rival South Carolina, and then play LaSalle, DePaul, and Ole Miss in tourney play. They close out noncon at Alabama (Full Court). Big ACC games include a game at Duke on 1/19 (ESPN).
-Duke will always be a title contender, and they start noncon with home titls with New Mexico State and Princeton (ESPN2). They then host Wisconsin (ESPN) and Davidson (ESPNU), Michigan (CBS) and Albany (ESPN2) before a big game at Pitt (ESPN) and a game at Temple (ESPN) before conference play. National games include at FSU and home Clemson (ESPN both), Miami (ABC), at UNC (ESPN), BC (CBS), Maryland (ESPN), St John's (CBS), GT (ESPN), at NC State (CBS), and at Virginia and home UNC (ESPN).
-Florida State has been up and coming as of late, let's see if they can keep it up. They host UAB and USF in November, and then play at Florida. They host Minnesota in the Challange (ESPN2), and then play at Butler and Providence before they start conference play at Georgia Tech. Their home game against Duke is their only nationally televised conference game.
-Speaking of the Yellow Jackets, let's see what's in store for them. They have November games at home against Charlotte, at Indiana (ESPN) in the Challange, and then start December at Vandy (Full Court) and at Georgia State (ESPNU). Their 12/18 home game against Kansas (ESPN) is huge. They start ACC play against FSU on 12/30, and end their noncon slate at Georgia (Full Court). Nationally televised conference games include home UNC (ESPN), home Maryland (ESPN2), a big noncon battle at UConn (ESPN), at Duke (ESPN), and the regular season finale at BC (ABC).
-Maryland reached the 2nd round of the tourney last year, but can they get back with a younger team? You can get an early look at them on 11/11 when they host North Florida (ESPNU). They'll then host Illinois in the Challange (ESPN2) before a tough home game against VCU. They'll host BC on 12/9 as an early conference kickoff. Their noncon slate ends with a road game against Charlotte (ESPNU) and a home match with Holy Cross. Notables in conference include their game at UNC (ABC), home to Virginia (ESPN), at Georgia Tech (ESPN2), at BC (ESPNU), and at Duke (ESPN).
-Let's see if Miami could show some improvement this season. They host Marist on 11/15 (ESPNU), St John's on 12/2, and play at Miss State on the 13th (Full Court). They'll have home games against Winthrop and Penn before opening their conference slate with GT (Full Court). Notable ACC tilts include a game at Duke (ABC), and a home game with BC (ESPNU).
-UNC is a bigtim National Championship contender. They'll have a very large percentage of their games on TV. Let's go through it. Davidson (ESPN), Iona (ESPNU), ODU (ESPNU), before an 11/28 game at Ohio State (ESPN). They begin December at Kentucky (ESPN2), at Penn (ESPNU), at Rutgers (ESPN), and home to Nicholls State (ESPNU). Home games with Nevada (ESPN2), Kent State (ESPN), and UNC Ashville (ESPNU) will finish off the noncon slate with their ACC opener at Clemson in between. Nationally televised conference games include NC State and at GT (ESPN), Maryland (ABC), BC and Duke (ESPN), at Virginia (ESPN2), VaTech (CBS), at BC (ABC), and at Duke (ESPN).
-NC State has a faily challenging noncon schedule. They have an ESPN2 game at Rider before their big Challange match at Michigan State (ESPN). The slate heats up towards late December as they host Davidson and Cincinnati before a game at Seton Hall (ESPNU). Conference notables include their ACC opener at UNC (ESPN), home GT and at Duke (ESPN2), home VaTech (ESPNU), at BC (ESPN), and home against Duke (CBS).
-Virginia should be good this year, and they have a very tough slate this year. They start at home with Vermont and then go out to Arizona. Then they host Drexel, go to Penn, host Northwestern (ESPNU), and have a good home test with Syracuse (ESPN2). In a tuneup before conference, they're at Xavier in January before their opener at Duke. Televised ACC games include home VaTech (ESPNU), at Maryland (ESPN), home against Clemson (ESPN2), at Wake Forest (ABC), home UNC (ESPN2), and home Duke (ESPN).
-VaTech had a breakout year last season, and will look to build on their success. November is light, just a game at Penn State (ESPN2). In December, they host GW, and play at ODU before an early ACC opener at Wake. They then travel to Richmond and to MSG to play Hofstra followed by their conference games. Televised games: at Virginia (ESPNU), home against Duke (ESPN), at NC State (ESPNU), at UNC (CBS), and home for BC (ESPNU).
-This will be a year of adjustment for Wake Forest after the tragic loss of Skip Prosser. They end November with a Challange game against Iowa (ESPN2), and a tilt at Charlotte. They start December with games at Vandy and Georgia (Full Court), before they go home to face Bucknell, USF, and VaTech in the ACC opener. Then they host tough opponents Air Force and BYU before ACC play. Their lone national conference game is a home date with Virginia on ABC.

College Hoops Key Game Previews- Atlantic 10

A-10
Should be an exciting conference, let's look at the noncon games and televised battles.
-Charlotte can be very good this year, and they play a lot of good teams. They play at Georgia Tech and host Wake Forest in November, and they host Davidson and Southern Illinois to begin December. The play at Hofstra and Tulsa the week after that, and they host Maryland (ESPNU) and play at Clemson. They should be competetive in conference play.
-Dayton has some tough games, and play at George Mason, Holy Cross, and Louisville (ESPN2), and they host Pitt to end December (ESPN2).
-Duquesne is on their way back up, and they'll host Pitt on ESPNU and will go to West Virginia on Full Court.
-Fordham is on the rise. They'll play at Syracuse, host Hofstra and Binghampton, and then go to Georgetown to close out the calendar year.
-No TV games for GW, but they have a tough slate out of conference. They'll host BU and play at UCLA in November. They host Auburn on 12/2, play at VaTech a week later, at Binghampton on the 13th, and at Alabama on the 29th.
-LaSalle will play some teams. They'll be at Bucknell, and then they'll play Clemson, Ole Miss, and DePaul in tourney play, at Villanova a week later on ESPNU, and at Florida State on 1/5.
-UMass will compete for the title and will be at Northern Iowa, Syracuse (ESPN Classic), will host Marist, and at BC (ESPNU). They'll host BU and Houston and play at Vandy.
-Rhode Island plays at USF, hosts UAB, and play at BC in November. In December, they host Providence, play at Syracuse (ESPN Full Court), and they host Hofstra.
-The Richmond Spiders could be a player as they could meet Memphis next week in tournament play. They take it easy in November, with a few minor tests with games at East Carolina, Rice, and Marist. But they have a tough December, where they play at home to USF, at VCU, and home against ODU. They finish off the noncon schedule with a home battle with VaTech.
-Saint Louis will be an improved bunch under head coach Rick Majerus. They'll take November trips to Pitt (Full Court), Missouri State, and Kent State, and have a tough December. They'll host Long Beach State, play at BC, host Sam Houston State, and Southern Illinois (ESPNU) before conference play.
-St Bonaventure is venturing on their road up, and will play at BU and host Binghampton right off the bat. They'll also take a trip to New Mexico in November. They'll host Albany in December, play at Binghampton, and then host Bucknell in January.
-Temple is looking to get their cred back up, and their noncon slate is easily toughest in the conference. They'll start with games at Tennessee (Full Court) and Providence (ESPNU), then games at Bowling Green and Akron before hosting Towson and Villanova (ESPNU). They'll play at Drexel (ESPNU), at Florida, and then they'll host Duke (ESPN) before conference play and Penn during.
-Xavier will argue that their noncon schedule is tougher. They play at Miami (OH), and Kent State in November, and then they'll host Creighton and crosstown rival Cincy (ESPN2) to begin December. Then they'll play at Arizona State, at home against Tennessee (ESPN) before they host Delaware State and Kansas State (ESPNU) to close out the year. They then host Virginia and play at Auburn (Full Court) before conference play.

College Hoops Key Game Previews- America East

America East
-The Albany Great Danes are the defending champs, edging out Vermont for the conference crown last year. Albany has an 11/10 date at Patriot League contender Bucknell, and has a December 17th date a Duke that should be a measuring stick. They host Boise State and play at Iowa State to round out their nonconference slate. Both their Vermont matches is on an ESPN affiliate, as is their big game at Boston University on 1/16.
-Binghampton is a dark horse in the A-East, and games at Akron, home for George Washington, and a match at A-10 sleeper Fordham highlight their noncon schedule. Both games against Stony Brook in conference is on an ESPN affiliate.
-Boston University is one of the contenders this year in conference. They have a very healthy noncon schedule, playing GW, St Joe's, and Pitt in November. They have games at UMass and Holy Cross to round it out in December. Games against Hartford, Albany, and Vermont is ESPN affiliated.
-Hartford treks to many big teams including games at Louisville, BYU, Villanova, and Virginia. Their game at the Cardinals and a BU game is ESPN'd.
-Maine opens the season against Richmond in Memphis. The Black Bears play at Providence, Florida State, and UConn (ESPN affiliated) out of conference. They'll likely be one of the conference bottom feeders.
-UMBC shouldn't be so bad this season. The Retreivers have a challanging schedule out of conference. In November they travel to LaSalle and Richmond and host GW. They take December trips to Wichita State, West Virginia, and Ohio State.
-New Hampshire leads off at BC, but their schedule is ordinary the whole way, ans will try to keep up in AE play.
-Stony Brook will do some check collecting as they play at Villanova and Kentucky before noncon trips to Hofstra and Fairleigh Dickenson. Their Kentucky and both Binghampton games will be ESPN affiliated.
-Vermont is always a contender, and they schedule like it with their first two games at George Mason and Virginia. They also happen to travel down south to play the defending champs Florida. Both Albany games and a BU game are ESPN affiliated.

Monday, October 15, 2007

College Hoops Today

3 weeks are left until the College Basketball season starts when highly touted Memphis hosts Tennessee-Martin on ESPNU. They had their first practice on Friday with one of the top teams in the nation led by a returning starting 5 with Joey Dorsey and Chris Douglas-Roberts. Oh, and they have Derrick Rose, one of the best freshmen in the country. The Tigers schedule includes a December 4th home game against USC, who had their first workouts of the OJ Mayo era in Los Angeles.
23,313 fans showed up at Rupp Arena for the first Kentucky practice under Billy Gillispie. Gillispie already did what former coach Tubby Smith couldn't, land the big recruit in Patrick Patterson. The Wildcats will likely run a more fast paced style than his predecessor which is a huge shot in the arm for the UK faithful. Their season starts on November 6th, but their first big game is on December 1st when they host North Carolina.
More College Hoops before the season begins, this is just a little taste of what's to come.

Thursday, July 26, 2007

Breaking College Hoops News

Wake Forest basketball coach Skip Prosser died on Thursday morning of an apparent heart attack shortly after jogging, he was 56. Prosser lead the Demon Deacons to the tournament in 4 of his 6 seasons in Winston Salem. He was well liked by his colleagues for his wity and sarcastic sense of humor. Arizona State head coach Herb Sendek always thought highly of Prosser
""It's so sad. I feel so bad for his wife, Nancy," Sendek said. "Skip was a gentleman and someone who represented what was good about our profession. He was the kind of person you wanted your son to play for."
Georgia Tech head coach Paul Hewitt was very saddened by the news
""I was sitting with him yesterday in Orlando, He was just a great person. It's so sad."
Arizona coach Lute Olson is still in shock
"This is beyond belief. It's awful. He was always very positive and friendly. Extremely outgoing. The kind of guy you always looked forward to seeing."
Prosser is survived by his wife, Nancy, and two sons, Scott (28) and Mark (27). Prosser will be missed by the college hoops world.

Thursday, July 19, 2007

N.B.A. Thursday

News, notes, rumors, and some chat questions about the draft and college hoops with Kyle Whelliston and Andy Katz of ESPN.

News and Notes
Saturday
- Washington resigned DeShawn Stevenson to a 4 year deal worth 15 million dollars. Apparently, the Wiz couldn't sign a guard better then Stevenson, so they stuck with him.
- Chucky Atkins has agreed to a contract in Denver, and will replace Steve Blake, who signed a 3 year deal with the resurgent Blazers.
- Mo Williams will stay in Milwaukee, agreeing to a 6 year 52 million dollar deal. That means the Heat fell short in the proceedings and they'll go after a secondary option like Steve Francis. Blake was reportedly their 2nd choice after Williams.
- After losing Mikki Moore to the Kings, the Nets have signed free agent C Jamal Magloire to a contract. They've also waived Hassan Adams.
- Ron Artest and Stephen Jackson have been suspended for the first 7 games of next season because of their legal troubles.
- Top overall pick Greg Oden had to have his tonsils removed, which will take two to three weeks to recover. Oden will begin basketball again after that span.
Sunday
- Heat C Alonzo Mourning will return next year for one final season. He said that the final chapter in his career couldn't be a first round sweep at the hands of the Bulls.
Monday
- Golden State signed their first round pick Marco Belinelli, who performed quite well at the Las Vegas Summer League.
- Rehab is going well for Dwayne Wade, but he may not be ready for training camp, which means that he may not be good to go for the team's season opener.
Tuesday
- Detroit signed Senegal Center Cheick Samb to a contract. He performed well enough in Vegas to earn the deal.
- Houston signed Luis Scola after he was acquired along with Jackie Butler for Vassilis Spanoulis .
- Ron Artest, Maurice Evans, Theo Ratliff, and Etan Thomas were part of a league mission to feed the children of Kenya.
- Vin Baker has plead not guilty to drunken driving.
- Golden State has resigned G Kelenna Azubuike.
Wednesday
- Lots of news with Chinese players. 6th overall pick Yi Jianlian will not sign with the Bucks because of the lack of marketability and no Chinese people living there. If he's not traded, he could go back to the Chinese Basketball Association. The Chinese sports association also criticized Yao Ming because he reported late to the National Team's training.
- The Spurs resigned Fabricio Oberto
- The Albequerque Thunderbirds hired former Iona coach Jeff Ruland to be their head man.
- Travis Outlaw signed a 3 year deal with Portland.
- Stephon Marbury said that he'll play in Italy after his contract expires. No Italian will ever score a point ever again.
- Milwaukee has signed Jake Voskuhl to a 1 year deal woth 3 million.
- Kevin Durant has inked a 60 million dollar endorsement deal with Nike.
- LeBron James will host Saturday Night Live in its season premiere in September.

Rumors
- Washington may trade Juan Carlos Navarro to Miami for future draft picks, if he agrees to a buyout with FC Barcelona. The buyout calls for 3 million to be paid over 3 years. The Heat still has interest in Steve Francis. (Miami Herald, South Florida Sun-Sentinel)
- If no teams claim Derek Fisher off waivers by 3pm today, the Lakers will sign him to a 3 year deal worth 14 million dollars. (LA Times)
- Memphis has interest in Ime Udoka and Matt Barnes. (Memphis Commercial Appeal)
- Aaron Gray and JamesOn Curry could play in the D-League next season. (Chicago Tribune)
- The Spurs could release James White and Spanoulis. Spanouils would like to play in Europe. The team would like to sign Udoka, and Tiago Splitter will play one more season in Europe. (San Antonio Express-News)
- Francis will decide soon whether he'll sign with Miami, Houston, Dallas, or the Clippers. (Houston Chronicle)

Draft and College Hoops with Whelliston and Katz
How well can Jared Jordan do in the NBA? Have their been any other pros from Marist?
Kyle Whelliston: I bet he sticks. He's an old-school point guard, and that's a commodity the NBA has too little of (like baseball and left-handed relievers). As for the other question: Rik Smits, of course!

How do you see the Big East shaking out this year?
Andy Katz: Here are my tiers: 1. Louisville, Georgetown, Marquette and Pitt. 2. Providence, West Virginia, Syracuse, Connecticut, Villanova, Notre Dame 3. DePaul, St. John's, South Florida, Rutgers, Cincinnati and Seton Hall. The tiers aren't in order within each number. But that's how I see it shaking out...a top group, a middle group and a bottom group.